: Posted by Amanda Noon in Discussion: IRC Etiquette
: : Posted by Krys Bromilow in Discussion: IRC Etiquette
: : : Posted by Rear Admiral Jack Dipper (AIDir) in Discussion: IRC Etiquette
: : : : Posted by Tom Hillman in Discussion: IRC Etiquette
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: : : : : Have we actually had someone who was under 13 complain about the language use, or is this more of a preventative measure?
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: : : : : I think if you go with Option 1 you will have riots. Seriously.
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: : : : : As for Option 2, most of it seems like how the channel is run currently, but I'm not sure about the section:
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: : : : : "all users would be given the right to ask another user to desist in their actions if they feel offended or annoyed by it. This would not be limited to expletives but gives the user the opportunity to control their environment knowing that if the other user does not comply they will face punitive action from an Op."
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: : : : : This seems like a slippery slope to me, and probably not what you're intending. Everyone won't always get along, but I see people using this as a way to get another person in trouble really easily. "Op, I'm offended that he just kicked that poor bunny 30 times, I really like bunnies and don't want to see them harmed!" means we're no longer kicking Sy. Where's the fun in that?!

Oh, come now. Surely the Ops' sense of judgment deserves a little credit? Any good Op (for that matter, anyone who didn't huff the acrylic fumes on their fourth-grade field trip to the paint factory) can apply a bit of common sense and result in a working system where action is only taken for good reason.
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: : : : : While we want to create a "nice" environment for everyone, we also want to allow people to have fun. If you want to go with a "user controlled" environment, we need to establish what falls into categories that they can complain about, and what they cannot. As written, this policy is far too open for abuse.
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: : : : : Jen
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: : : : I agree. People should be able to ask people not to swear or ask people to stop if they feel they are being offended. and the catagories idea is very good. It would mean that people would have fun in IRC. However people find different things offending how would you catagorise something that isn't offending to some one but might be really offensive to some else?
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: : : : -Tom
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: : : That's why the other member should ask you to stop, and possibly explain why.
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: : : Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about people being able to stop conversations for no real reason; it's more when conversations are on a borderline dodgy area. Whilst most people would not be offended as it's a light hearted joke, one or two may be. If they are, we are only going to know about it if they politely say 'can you stop it please'. Once they've asked for it to stop, the other parties involved should stop. If they don't, then the member who asked them to stop then has a case to speak to an Op about, who can then make the decision on whether the request to stop was sensible.
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: : : It's actually modelled, as Krys pointed out, on RL. If people have a conversation in the work place, the person will only have a case against them if they have told them that it offends them (bar the obvious exceptions such as profanity, etc).
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: : : Jack

/me gives two thumbs up
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: : And it goes on all the time in IRC right now. If someone is offended by what's going on in channel quite often they PM the Op and say hey that is really bugging me. The Op then contacts the 'offending' people and tells them that there are those in channel that find the topic offensive and could they please change their topic. I use 'offending' people in italics to show this isn't a true offense but to differentiate from the complainant. Believe me, as an Op this is probably what I deal with the most.
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: : Krys
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: Sounds like how it always used to work.... sometimes a quiet word from the op is all it takes... and in the end it comes down to choosing good ops who use their powers wisely.

As far as I'm concerned, that's all we've ever needed - proper selection of ops who won't abuse their 'power.' Honestly I can't even see any potential - after the first joke-kick or two, pretty much everyone gets bored of the 'powers' of an Op
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: So really what you need is a message as you join the channel that says, Hey, if you have a problem please talk to an op for help.

If this is something we need to spell out for people, I think I'm throwing in the towel on this whole "there's hope for humanity yet" idea I have...
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: It does mean that Ops have to be prepared to look at things from another person's point of view. I haven't noticed any problems in the room. Cept for the licking.... shudder... the darn licking....
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: Amanda

/me checks 'The Official, Never-Lying Record'

To my knowledge, any licking that has occurred has been between two consenting parties, and nothing indecent has ever been proven to take place alongside or as a result of said licking. Furthermore, the only documented uses of whipped cream are as a dessert topping. :P

Sundae, anyone?

-Anthony
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