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Discussion - Member Ranks

Posted March 28, 2021, 4:24 p.m. by Vice Admiral Sarah Hemenway (President) (Sarah M)

Posted by Fleet Captain Adam W. (Chief EGO) in Discussion - Member Ranks

Posted by Fleet Captain Sharon Miller (Supervisor of Experiments) in Discussion - Member Ranks

Posted by Vice Admiral Sarah Hemenway (President) in Discussion - Member Ranks
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Hi everyone,

I’m moving the discussion of MOO to a separate thread here.

MOO currently reads:

*A Member’s club rank, below the rank of Captain, is defined as the highest role-playing rank that a Member has achieved since he joined STF. Club rank at and above the rank of Captain is determined by the most recent Presidential Edict. A Member at or above the rank of Captain may be recognized for exemplary role-playing and service to the club by promotion by the President in an Edict to the next highest club rank.

Character rank is defined as the rank that a Member’s individual role-playing character has attained.

No Member shall have a character with a character rank higher than the Member’s club rank.*

The original version of MOO qualified the last sentence as follows: “In the case of the ranks Captain, Fleet Captain, Commodore, and Admiral, no Member shall have a character with a character rank higher than the Member’s club rank.” Removing that when the rank structure at Captain and above has made it such that no members can actually be promoted, which is… clearly not intended. :)

My proposal is to add that back with this phrasing: “In the case of the ranks of Captain and above…”. :) We could additionally add a line that “Below the rank of Captain, promotions are governed by the Fleet Command and Other Mundane Matters Bylaw” (which is where it specifies that COs can promote people up to Lt Cmdr and blah blah blah).

  • Sarah, Prez

I’m not seeing a problem with the current wording.

Adam W.

Neither am I, I see no issue with the current wording.

-Dave S

On my reading the following two lines cancel each other out, making promotions below the rank of Captain technically impossible at the moment.

“A Member’s club rank, below the rank of Captain, is defined as the highest role-playing rank that a Member has achieved since he joined STF.”

“No Member shall have a character with a character rank higher than the Member’s club rank.”

I think Sarah’s amendments make sense given the confusion that arises from the above.

Wail

Yes, this is precisely the issue. Currently, there can be no valid promotions under the rank of Captain.

  • Sarah, Prez

The proposed wording change sounds good to me.

  • Sharon

To me the two sentences don’t mean that someone can’t be promoted to the ranks below captain. Rather it is saying that in the event character rank increases, so must member rank.

That members can be promoted to ranks less than captain and how that occurs is clearly explained in the FCOMM bylaw.

So I don’t see this one as necessary. If we’re changing this wording in this bylaw I would think the more important matter to address would be to permit the Academy an ability to promote members up to a certain point. That is, assuming that is something we want.

Adam W.

It clearly says that a member can’t have a character rank above their member rank. How would you be able to increase member rank, then, if no one can have a character rank above their member rank, but member rank is defined as your highest character rank?

MOO came up as a result of the CADET discussion. Fixing this line also allows for CADET to be fixed to allow what you are saying.

  • Sarah, Prez

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