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Side sim - Time to hang out in the Lounge

Posted Oct. 15, 2021, 1:54 a.m. by Lieutenant Junior Grade Solal Segal (Oncology and Immunology) (Nicole Cline)

Posted by Lieutenant Séan Iven (Chief of Psychiatry) in Side sim - Time to hang out in the Lounge

Posted by Lieutenant Junior Grade Solal Segal (Oncology and Immunology) in Side sim - Time to hang out in the Lounge

Posted by Lieutenant Séan Iven (Chief of Psychiatry) in Side sim - Time to hang out in the Lounge
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Séan shook his head firmly at this. “While I respect your point of view, I have to disagree. Logic doesn’t allow for the happiness of others when taken to the extreme and the exclusion of emotion. Similarly emotions when taken to the extreme often ignore what would be the logical conclusion. I believe that emotions can be tempered by logic to not cascade into a melt-down, while logic can be guided by considering the emotional response of others as well as yourself. An example to help convey what I mean, a person could be convinced through various tonal and body language clues that their partner is cheating on them. There is nothing conclusive to prove this but they’re dreading any sort of confrontation and confirmation of their conjecture. This in turn would feed a vicious feedback loop of negativity which would tear apart the relationship in time, with or without the confrontation. Logic could help at this point in calming the emotions enough to inquire regarding the various ‘signs and clues’. They may find that their partner was working late on a project that couldn’t be talked about. On the flip side, exclusively approaching a relationship whether personal or professional with just logic is bound to make the other people dissatisfied to some extent. If this was a Vulcan science ship without any other races aboard, then maybe that approach could work. I don’t think it’s the best approach on a Federation ship though. There is often the need to accommodate others emotionally, even if it’s words of praise or affirmation.”

CoP Iven

“Happiness is an emotion, logic by definition cannot allow for it,” Solal replied, “And if your couple did not rely on conjecture in the first place, there would be no negativity to tear them apart. Rely on hard evidence. I also fail to see how a purely logical professional relationship could be dissatisfying. It is efficient and effective, removing the factor of emotion and hurt feelings from the process. Logical personal relationships happen between Vulcans and humans, I am living proof of this. Overall, I think we must agree to disagree on this topic.” Some of what Séan said sounded a bit like Solal’s parents, and that gave him a moment’s pause, but he was certain of his convictions, that the logical way of Vulcans was the best philosophy.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan studied Solal’s face for a moment before he shrugged then finished his hot chocolate. He didn’t feel belaboring his point would be helpful or wanted at this juncture. It was interesting how Solal mentioned his parents abstractly though. Vulcans and Humans… so he was half-Vulcan. “I can only speak from my experiences which a number of crewmembers of all different races. I’ve never been with an all Vulcan crew and would probably be the odd one out there anyway. I just know that efficiency can be anathema to a healthy relationship.”

CoP Iven

Solal was not bothered by Séan’s disagreement, the debate had been interesting to Solal. “I haven’t either, and I have only served on two ships, I cannot debate your experience. But I cannot see how logical efficiency could be anything but a good thing, at least professionally.”

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan put an elbow on the bar top and kind of relaxed his head onto his hand. He looked at Solal with a hint of amusement on his face. “How deeply do you interact with coworkers? Have you been invited to a lunch, dinner, any sort of social event?”

CoP Iven

“Social events do not get my work done,” Solal said. He wasn’t usually invited to anything, he generally didn’t let it bother him. He used the spare time to meditate. Or read. “And I used to- never mind.” He used to play violin with Achilleas, but there wasn’t any way in a thousand years he’d tell Séan that. There was no logical purpose to the instrument.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan nodded slowly. “So there was something social you used to do but that you’re not doing anymore. Are you sad about no longer doing whatever it was? Or was it because you were doing it with someone but can’t anymore?”

CoP Iven

There was a flash of irritation on Solal’s face, gone as quickly as it appeared as Solal refocused himself. “Sadness is a human emotion. I don’t do it anymore, that is fact.” Solal hadn’t quit violin (again), he’d practiced since Achilleas left. Just not as frequently. It was an illogical thing to do, he should quit. But it reminded him of home, and he liked it. It was confusing to him.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

“Mhm.” Séan verbalized, which could have been doubt, agreement, or simply acknowledgement. “I think you’re putting too much focus on emotions being ‘human’ in origin, which isn’t correct. Compared to Vulcans I know humanity is seen as being more emotional and that comparison is accurate, but try to suppress or deny emotions as much as they can… Vulcan’s still have them. The women of the species seem slightly less controlled emotionally but then they do not need to outlet all of their pent-up emotion every seven years either. I know it’s passed off as a biological happening, similar if somewhat crudely compared to an animal going into heat, but that isn’t the full story behind it.”

CoP Iven

“I am aware Vulcans have emotions, however through meditation, these emotions are not expressed nor reacted to.” Solal had not been taught by Vulcans but he’d done his homework. And he had personal experience. Emotions were too volatile without the control the mediation and logic granted. “You refer to the ritual of the Pon Farr. It has been studied and documented, it is a hormonal imbalance. That’s biological. And the women do experience it.” To be fair, Solal had yet to experience the Pon Farr himself, but he had studied it, in preparation. He was of the age many Vulcans began to experience it. The twenties or thirties appeared to be a common time for it. He was twenty nine now.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

“Yes, they do. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as… explosive as the males though.” Séan mused. “Not expressing or reacting to something doesn’t mean it doesn’t influence the person feeling it though. Even unconsciously a person can come into a lounge and have tea when they could much more efficiently have tea in their quarters.”

CoP Iven

Séan had a point. Solal had read the males tended to… get a little angry. He glanced at Séan, shaking his head. “So I had tea in the lounge because I’m subconsciously reacting to emotion.” He said it like it was ridiculous. This was precisely why Solal did not like psychology. “Perhaps I did not want to spend the time making my own tea? Why else would I be here?” His voice was level as ever, he did not sound angry or irrate. But he looked to Séan awaiting his answer.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan lifted a hand in a placating gesture even though he had a small grin on his face. “I’m not saying that coming to the lounge in lieu of your quarters is a bad decision or one that flies in the face of logic. Logically I should’ve stayed in my quarters and gotten some sleep to be better prepared for tomorrow, but I didn’t feel like it and figured I’d prepare in another way. I had two non-conflicting reasons to come here. It may not be the optimal use of my time but it’s not a waste of time either. In the same way your coming to the lounge is sub-optimal, but it’s certainly not a waste of your time.”

CoP Iven

“There was no difference between drinking tea in the lounge, or doing it in my quarters, besides the fact the latter is what I do every night. It is as I told you, I was simply tired of my quarters.” He couldn’t help but think, if this man had simply listened to logic, he wouldn’t be in this conversation. But that was an emotional reaction, and he dismissed it without saying anything.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan nodded his head at Solal’s explanation, though his grin did not diminish. “Oh of course. Not like the walk here took more time and effort than replicating a cup of tea. But you know, the exercise that the walk did was sure to burn off the requisite calories you were soon to imbibe. So there you go with a bett… I mean, good reason for coming here too.”

CoP Iven

“Then, why do you propose I’m here?” Solal asked. It was like Séan was messing with him, perhaps trying to get an emotional reaction out of him. Solal wasn’t sure. It wouldn’t have been the first time someone tried to get a reaction out of him.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

“Because you’re lonely and sad.” Séan replied right away with a surprised expression on his face. “Didn’t I propose that when I first sat down and we started talking?”

CoP Iven

Solal let out a long sigh. He felt like he was talking circles. “I suppose if I repeat ‘those are human emotions’ we’ll talk about how Vulcans are actually secretly emotional, too, again?” He waved the bartender for another tea. “I do not think I know what you want me to tell you,” he said, watching the bartender prepare the tea, as if waiting for its arrival somewhat impatiently.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

“Oh no. I hate belaboring a point, or to take a human phrase, beat a dead horse. I’ve never seen a horse actually, so not sure why one would beat a dead one.” Séan said in a deadpan manner then smiled broadly. “Besides, exasperation seems an emotion and I think you may have reacted to it. So I don’t know that I need to really make any further points.”

CoP Iven

“I have never understood that saying,” said Solal, reminding himself rather harshly to keep his emotions better under control. “I suppose all this was to make your point, then?” His tea arrived, and he took a sip of it.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor

Séan sat up fully on his stool and shook his head solemnly. “That wasn’t the point I was going for. It does help illustrate what point I wanted to make though, and that is denying that emotions can affect you, influence you, and cause you to unconsciously make decisions or choices that you might not otherwise is a potentially dangerous self-deception. The single most unprepared aspect for Vulcans is when they cannot control their emotions. Will you know how to cope with rage filling your mind? Will you be okay if you’re morose and don’t feel like living? There are enough conditions, contaminants, and external anomalies that can strip away your control. There are times the meditation doesn’t work and your frustration mounts because it isn’t. Will you beat yourself up over a perceived failure or would you rather adapt and find a new coping mechanism? These are just some points I’d like you to think about.”

CoP Iven

The memories of Solal’s school days came to the front of his mind, times before the meditation had helped him gain control of himself. His emotions were Vulcan, felt strongly and difficult to keep in check. Could he cope with rage as Séan described? Or crushing sadness? He hadn’t been able to before, that’s why his adoptive parents had done their best to help him learn the mediation. Which, infuriatingly, proved Séan’s point. “Why do you feel the need to tell me this?” He asked.

~ Lt JG Solal, Doctor


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